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In the early evening of October 19, 1970, police and firefighters were called to the Santa Cruz County home of Dr. Victor Ohta, a well-respected ophthalmologist, for a report of a house fire. Intending to siphon water from the pool out back, firefighters ran a hose from the truck to the backyard. However, when they reached the pool, the made a horrible discovery—floating in the pool were the bodies of Mr. and Mrs. Ohta, as well as their two children, and the doctor’s secretary, Dorothy Cadwallader. When they searched the scene, investigators discovered a cryptic note stuck under the windshield wiper of Victor Ohta’s car that made references to the occult and the counterculture movement.

At the time of the murders, Southern California was experiencing an unprecedented wave of violent murders by multiple serial and spree killers, as well as the notorious murders committed by the Manson family. Given the content of the note and the potentially ritualistic way in which the Ohta family had been killed, investigators and residents couldn’t help but fear that they may have another murderous cult on their hands.

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Resources

Bennett, Bruce, and Christine Connor. 2017. «Killer Prophet.» A Crime to Remember. Janaury 24.

Hagar, Philip, and Dick Main. 1970. «Neighbor charged in Ohta murders.» Los Angeles Times, October 23: 1.

Holmes, Christian. 1970. «Doctror, family slain in mansion.» San Francisco Examiner, October 20: 1.

John Linley Frazier v. The Superior Court of Santa Cruz County. 1971. 22812 (Superior Court of Santa Cruz County, July 7).

Murray, Emerson. 2022. Murder Capital of the World. Santa Cruz, CA.

Santa Cruz Sentinel. 1970. «Live Oak fire chief first to discover bodies in pool.» Santa Cruz Sentinel, October 20: 5.

—. 1970. «‘Most tragic murder’.» Santa Cruz Sentinel, October 20: 5.

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On the afternoon of July 18, 1984, James Huberty left his apartment in the San Ysidro neighborhood of San Diego, California, and drove one block over to the nearby McDonalds. After walking through the door of the restaurant, Huberty raised his Uzi semi-automatic 9mm and began indiscriminately shooting at patrons, employees, and anyone else who happened to cross into his line of sight.

At the time, and for decades after, the San Ysidro McDonalds massacre was the worst mass shooting in American history, with the shooter killing twenty-one people and injuring nearly two dozen others before being struck down by a sniper’s bullet. The incident lasted over an hour, during which time San Diego police and SWAT members surrounded the building, but didn’t enter the building until an hour after the shooting started, when Huberty was already dead.

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Ben-Ali, Russell. 1990. «After a long wait, monument is dedicated at Massacre site.» Los Angeles Times, December 14.

Corwin, Miles, and Tom Howlett. 1984. «Neighbors reall a man who never smiled.» Los Angeles Times, July 19: 14.

Crea, Jackie. 2025. Survivors remember San Ysidro McDonald’s mass shooting. July 18. Accessed August 6, 2025. https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-ysidro-mcdonalds-mass-shooting-40-years-later/3569489/.

Cummings, Judith. 1984. «Neighbors term mass slayer a quiet but hotheaded loner.» New York Times, July 20: 1.

Freed, David. 1984. «21 die in San Diego massacre.» Los Angeles Times, July 19: 1.

Logan, Alan C., Jeffrey J. Nicholson, Stephen J. Schoenthaler, and Susan L. Prescott. 2024. «Neurolaw: Revisiting Huberty v. McDonald’s through the Lens of Nutritional Criminology and Food Crime.» Laws.

2016. 77 Minutes. Directed by Charlie Minn.

New York Times. 1984. «Coast man kills 20 in rampage at a restaurant.» New York Times, July 19: 1.

Time-Life Books. 1993. Mass Murderers. Alexandria, VA: Time-Life Books.

Weintraub, Daniel. 1984. «‘That guy’s gonna shoot you’.» Los Angeles Times, July 20: 2.

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On October 30, 1975, fifteen-year-old Martha Moxley failed to return home after a night out with friends in Belle Haven, an exclusive wealthy enclave in Greenwich, CT. The following morning, Moxley’s badly beaten body was discovered underneath a tree, just a few hundred feet from her house, triggering one of the most notorious murder mysteries in the state’s history.
 

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References

Associated Press. 1975. «Parents guarding children in Greenwich murder area.» Connecticut Post, November 10: 2.

—. 1998. «1975 murder case before grand jury.» Hartford Courant, July 12: 22.

—. 1998. «Fuhrman book on 1975 slaying points to Kennedy relative.» Hartford Courant, May 10: 28.

Brown, Marian Gail. 2002. «Verdict shocks court observers 27 years after Moxley slaying.» Connecticut Post, June 8: 1.

CNN. 2007. Moxley case: Excerpts from the Sutton Report. December 17. Accessed November 26, 2025. https://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/17/court.archive.skakel11/index.html.

—. 2002. Moxley Case: Who was Martha Moxley? Accessed November 21, 2025. https://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/17/court.archive.skakel9/index.html.

Connecticut Post. 1975. «Girl, 15, found murdered at her Greenwich home.» Connecticut Post, November 1: 1.

Ellement, John, and Lisa Prevost. 2000. «Skakel is arrested in ’75 Conn. murder.» Boston Globe, January 20.

Gaines, Judith. 1998. «Grand juror to probe ’75 Conn. murder.» Boston Globe, June 18.

—. 1991. «Police taking a fresh look at 1975 murder of Conn. teen-ager.» Boston Globe, October 7.

Hartford Courant. 2002. «Skakel jurors.» Hartford Courant, July 28: H2.

Lang, Joel. 1997. «Martha’s murder.» Hartford Courant, May 18: 10.

Levitt, Leonard. 2004. Conviction: Solving the Moxley Murder . New York, NY: Regan Books.

Mahony, Edmund. 2020. «No retrial for Skakel.» Hartford Courant, October 31: 1.

Merchant, Robert. 2016. «Skakel murder conviction reinstated.» Connecticut Post, December 31: 1.

Ondek, Richard. 1976. «Prosecutor says family impedes murder probe.» Connecticut Post, March 26: 1.

Owens, David. 2013. «Freed on bail.» Hartford Courant, November 22: 1.

2003. Mugshots: Michael Skakel. Performed by Single Spark Productions.

State of Connecticut v. Michael Skakel. 2004. S.C. 16844 (Supreme Court of the State of Connecticut, June 23).

Tofig, Dana. 1999. «Suspect’s lawyer seeks to suprress comments.» Hartford Courant, May 27: B7.

Tuohy, Lynne. 2002. «A life, a death revisited.» Hartford Courant, May 8: 1.

—. 2000. «Kennedy nephew facing arrest in killing.» Hartford Courant, January 19: 1.

—. 2002. «No apology, no remorse.» Hartford Courant, August 30: 1.

—. 2002. «One final chance to make their cases.» Hartford Courant, June 4: 1.

—. 2002. «Prosecution puts on its rebuttal.» Hartford Courant, May 30: 1.

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On October 30, 1975, fifteen-year-old Martha Moxley failed to return home after a night out with friends in Belle Haven, an exclusive wealthy enclave in Greenwich, CT. The following morning, Moxley’s badly beaten body was discovered underneath a tree, just a few hundred feet from her house, triggering one of the most notorious murder mysteries in the state’s history.

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References

Associated Press. 1975. «Parents guarding children in Greenwich murder area.» Connecticut Post, November 10: 2.

—. 1998. «1975 murder case before grand jury.» Hartford Courant, July 12: 22.

—. 1998. «Fuhrman book on 1975 slaying points to Kennedy relative.» Hartford Courant, May 10: 28.

Brown, Marian Gail. 2002. «Verdict shocks court observers 27 years after Moxley slaying.» Connecticut Post, June 8: 1.

CNN. 2007. Moxley case: Excerpts from the Sutton Report. December 17. Accessed November 26, 2025. https://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/17/court.archive.skakel11/index.html.

—. 2002. Moxley Case: Who was Martha Moxley? Accessed November 21, 2025. https://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/12/17/court.archive.skakel9/index.html.

Connecticut Post. 1975. «Girl, 15, found murdered at her Greenwich home.» Connecticut Post, November 1: 1.

Ellement, John, and Lisa Prevost. 2000. «Skakel is arrested in ’75 Conn. murder.» Boston Globe, January 20.

Gaines, Judith. 1998. «Grand juror to probe ’75 Conn. murder.» Boston Globe, June 18.

—. 1991. «Police taking a fresh look at 1975 murder of Conn. teen-ager.» Boston Globe, October 7.

Hartford Courant. 2002. «Skakel jurors.» Hartford Courant, July 28: H2.

Lang, Joel. 1997. «Martha’s murder.» Hartford Courant, May 18: 10.

Levitt, Leonard. 2004. Conviction: Solving the Moxley Murder . New York, NY: Regan Books.

Mahony, Edmund. 2020. «No retrial for Skakel.» Hartford Courant, October 31: 1.

Merchant, Robert. 2016. «Skakel murder conviction reinstated.» Connecticut Post, December 31: 1.

Ondek, Richard. 1976. «Prosecutor says family impedes murder probe.» Connecticut Post, March 26: 1.

Owens, David. 2013. «Freed on bail.» Hartford Courant, November 22: 1.

2003. Mugshots: Michael Skakel. Performed by Single Spark Productions.

State of Connecticut v. Michael Skakel. 2004. S.C. 16844 (Supreme Court of the State of Connecticut, June 23).

Tofig, Dana. 1999. «Suspect’s lawyer seeks to suprress comments.» Hartford Courant, May 27: B7.

Tuohy, Lynne. 2002. «A life, a death revisited.» Hartford Courant, May 8: 1.

—. 2000. «Kennedy nephew facing arrest in killing.» Hartford Courant, January 19: 1.

—. 2002. «No apology, no remorse.» Hartford Courant, August 30: 1.

—. 2002. «One final chance to make their cases.» Hartford Courant, June 4: 1.

—. 2002. «Prosecution puts on its rebuttal.» 

Hartford Courant

, May 30: 1.

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WEIRDOS!! For this month’s BONUS EPISODE, Ash & Alaina dive fang-first into Breaking Dawn: Part 1. Share in the trauma of the ATROCIOUS Cullen wigs, the weird internalized misogyny of vampire reproduction,  and the fact that Jacob imprints on a child with a name that sounds suspiciously like a pharmaceutical side effect! Honestly, NOTHING is marked safe from discussion!

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Weirdos! Has a child ever traumatized you by vibing with the supernatural? This month, DebDeb has cultivated a batch of tales where the kids    play nice with people that have crossed the veil. The best part? They are  brought to you By you FOR  you and ALL ABOUT YOU! Check out the YOUTUBE VIDEO VERSION is packed with extra Nicholas footage!

If you’ve got a listener tale please send it to Deb by emailing us at  Morbidpodcast@gmail.com with “Listener Tales” somewhere in the subject line, and if you share pictures, please let us know if we can share them with fellow weirdos! 🙂

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In March 1989, twenty-one-year-old University of Texas student Mark Kilroy and some friends traveled south of the border to Matamoros, Mexico to celebrate the end of spring break, along with thousands of other American students that year. After drinking all night at a bar on the night of March 10, Kilroy got separated from his friends when they decided to call it a night a little after 2:00 am. No one would see Mark Kilroy alive again.

As one of several towns bordering the United States, Matamoros was popular with American tourists; however, by the late 1980s, it was beginning to develop a reputation for drug-related crime. In fact, Mark Kilroy was just one of sixty people who went missing in Matamoros in just the first three months of 1989 alone. When Kilroy’s friends reported him missing to the Brownsville, Texas police a massive search began, with investigators fearing Mark might have been kidnapped by one of the local gangs. It turned out, the truth was far worse than anyone had feared.

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References

Associated Press. 1989. «Leader in cult slayings ordered own death, two companions say.» New York Times, May 8: 14.

Assocoated Press. 1989. «Hypnosis tried in hunt for student.» Fot Worth Star-Telegram, March 17: 24.

Bragg, Roy. 1989. «Cult ‘godfather’ ordered killing.» Houston Chronicle, April 13: 1.

—. 1989. «Fateful party is re-enacted.» Houston Chronicle, March 25: 1.

Cartwright, Gary. 1989. «The Work of the Devil.» Tecas Monthly, June 1.

Douglas, Jack, and Major Garrett. 1989. «13th victim pulled from killing field.» Houston Post, April 14: 1.

Garcia, Guy. 1989. «The Believers: Cult Murders in Mexico.» Rolling Stone, June 29.

Humes, Edward. 1991. Buried Secrets: A True Story of Serial Murder, Black Magic, and Drug-Running on the U.S. Border. New York, NY: Dutton.

Kreps, Mary Ann. 1989. «Machete blow reportedly killed Kilroy instantly.» Houston Chronicle, April 12: 1.

Mishra, Upendra Nath. 1989. «Police search properties owned by alleged cult leader.» United Press International, April 20.

Perez-Trevino, Emma. 2009. «Remebering Mark J. Kilroy.» Brownsville Herald, March 8: 1.

Sanders, Kathy. 1989. «Rumors of Satanists kidnapping children have parents terrified.» Fort Worth Star-Telegram, April 15: 1.

Schutze, Jim. 2023. Cauldron of Blood: The Matamoros Cult Killings. New York, NY: Open Road Media.

United Press International. 1989. «Parents of missing student seek help from state.» United Press International, March 29.

Warren, Susan. 1989. «Kilroys say drug users ‘to blame’ for son’s killing.» Houston Chronicle, April 13: 1.

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In March 1989, twenty-one-year-old University of Texas student Mark Kilroy and some friends traveled south of the border to Matamoros, Mexico to celebrate the end of spring break, along with thousands of other American students that year. After drinking all night at a bar on the night of March 10, Kilroy got separated from his friends when they decided to call it a night a little after 2:00 am. No one would see Mark Kilroy alive again.

As one of several towns bordering the United States, Matamoros was popular with American tourists; however, by the late 1980s, it was beginning to develop a reputation for drug-related crime. In fact, Mark Kilroy was just one of sixty people who went missing in Matamoros in just the first three months of 1989 alone. When Kilroy’s friends reported him missing to the Brownsville, Texas police a massive search began, with investigators fearing Mark might have been kidnapped by one of the local gangs. It turned out, the truth was far worse than anyone had feared.

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Associated Press. 1989. «Leader in cult slayings ordered own death, two companions say.» New York Times, May 8: 14.

Assocoated Press. 1989. «Hypnosis tried in hunt for student.» Fot Worth Star-Telegram, March 17: 24.

Bragg, Roy. 1989. «Cult ‘godfather’ ordered killing.» Houston Chronicle, April 13: 1.

—. 1989. «Fateful party is re-enacted.» Houston Chronicle, March 25: 1.

Cartwright, Gary. 1989. «The Work of the Devil.» Tecas Monthly, June 1.

Douglas, Jack, and Major Garrett. 1989. «13th victim pulled from killing field.» Houston Post, April 14: 1.

Garcia, Guy. 1989. «The Believers: Cult Murders in Mexico.» Rolling Stone, June 29.

Humes, Edward. 1991. Buried Secrets: A True Story of Serial Murder, Black Magic, and Drug-Running on the U.S. Border. New York, NY: Dutton.

Kreps, Mary Ann. 1989. «Machete blow reportedly killed Kilroy instantly.» Houston Chronicle, April 12: 1.

Mishra, Upendra Nath. 1989. «Police search properties owned by alleged cult leader.» United Press International, April 20.

Perez-Trevino, Emma. 2009. «Remebering Mark J. Kilroy.» Brownsville Herald, March 8: 1.

Sanders, Kathy. 1989. «Rumors of Satanists kidnapping children have parents terrified.» Fort Worth Star-Telegram, April 15: 1.

Schutze, Jim. 2023. Cauldron of Blood: The Matamoros Cult Killings. New York, NY: Open Road Media.

United Press International. 1989. «Parents of missing student seek help from state.» United Press International, March 29.

Warren, Susan. 1989. «Kilroys say drug users ‘to blame’ for son’s killing.» Houston Chronicle, April 13: 1.

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Today we are revisiting episode 27 with an incredible tale of survival!

Mary Vincent survived something so horrifying that most of us couldn’t even conjure it up in our nightmares. Her attacker, Lawrence Singleton, could have never imagined that Mary would walk away from where he left her to die in a canyon as a symbol of strength and resilience in the face of insurmountable odds. This is a story of survival, but also one of a justice system that is in desperate need of fixing.

RESOURCES

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1988-08-01-vw-4970-story.html

https://morbidology.com/left-for-dead-mary-vincent/
https://www.seattlepi.com/news/article/A-victim-a-survivor-an-artist-1106335.php

https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Lawrence-Singleton-despised-rapist-dies-He-2886703.php

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Today we are revisiting an oldie! Episode 13: Torture!
It’s been around since the beginning of time and it used to almost always involve a spike. Today, Alaina and Ash will discuss the various medieval methods of pain and suffering that could only come from the twisted mind of the human species. Strap in, because this is a rough one.

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Weirdos! We are officially teaming up with Hunt A Killer for a collaboration that’s about to drag you deep into a mystery worthy of a 3AM spiral and seventeen red-string conspiracy boards! Help us figure out the identity of THE SALEM SLICER!  Preorder now at Walmart!

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When thirty-four-year-old Shanann Watts missed a doctor’s appointment on August 13, 2018, her friends reported her missing to the Frederick, Colorado Police. When officers searched the home, they found Shanann’s car parked in the garage and her belongings—including her wallet, cell phone, and medication—were found in various spots around the house, but there was no sign of Shanann or the couple’s two children anywhere.

The next day, the FBI opened an investigation into the disappearance of Shanann, Bella and Celeste and Chris took to local television to give one of the most infamous and suspicious interviews of all time. He asked anyone with information about their whereabouts to come forward. The very next day however, Chris failed a polygraph exam and eventually confessed to murdering his wife, but he initially denied killing their children.

MENTIONED IN THIS EPISODE

Chris Watts Discovery Documents

Denty & Shaz

Baker, KC. 2018. Pregnant Woman and Her 2 Little Girls Vanish and Could Be in Danger, Authorities Say. August 15. Accessed April 15, 2026. https://people.com/crime/colorado-pregnant-mom-daughters-vanish-medication-left/.

Glatt, John. 2020. The Perfect Father: The True Story of Chris Watts, His All-American Family, and a Shocking Murder. New York, NY: St. Martin’s Press.

Helling, Steve. 2018. Pregnant Mom Vanishes, Husband Pleads for Help — Then 3 Bodies Turn Up: How Watts Family Murder Case Unfolded.September 18. Accessed April 15, 2026. https://people.com/crime/shanann-chris-watts-family-murder-timeline/.

McDonnell-Parry, Amelia. 2018. «Colorado man claims he killed pregnant wife after she strangled their daughters.» Roling Stone, August 20.

Swanson, Sady, and Nick Coltrain. 2018. «Christopher Watts sentenced to 3 life terms for murdering pregnant wife, 2 daughters.» Fort Collins Coloradoan, November 20: 1.

Chris Watts Discovery Documents

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When thirty-four-year-old Shanann Watts missed a doctor’s appointment on August 13, 2018, her friends reported her missing to the Frederick, Colorado Police. When officers searched the home, they found Shanann’s car parked in the garage and her belongings—including her wallet, cell phone, and medication—were found in various spots around the house, but there was no sign of Shanann or the couple’s two children anywhere.

The next day, the FBI opened an investigation into the disappearance of Shanann, Bella and Celeste and Chris took to local television to give one of the most infamous and suspicious interviews of all time. He asked anyone with information about their whereabouts to come forward. The very next day however, Chris failed a polygraph exam and eventually confessed to murdering his wife, but he initially denied killing their children.

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Chris Watts Discovery Documents

Body Language Analysis Video

Baker, KC. 2018. Pregnant Woman and Her 2 Little Girls Vanish and Could Be in Danger, Authorities Say. August 15. Accessed April 15, 2026. https://people.com/crime/colorado-pregnant-mom-daughters-vanish-medication-left/.

Glatt, John. 2020. The Perfect Father: The True Story of Chris Watts, His All-American Family, and a Shocking Murder. New York, NY: St. Martin’s Press.

Helling, Steve. 2018. Pregnant Mom Vanishes, Husband Pleads for Help — Then 3 Bodies Turn Up: How Watts Family Murder Case Unfolded. September 18. Accessed April 15, 2026. https://people.com/crime/shanann-chris-watts-family-murder-timeline/.

McDonnell-Parry, Amelia. 2018. «Colorado man claims he killed pregnant wife after she strangled their daughters.» Roling Stone, August 20.

Swanson, Sady, and Nick Coltrain. 2018. «Christopher Watts sentenced to 3 life terms for murdering pregnant wife, 2 daughters.» Fort Collins Coloradoan, November 20: 1.

Chris Watts Discovery Documents

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Today we are joined by the legendary Patricia Cornwell! We dive into all things Scarpetta, the highly praisedTV adaptation of her iconic book series. We also get into the evolution of forensic science in storytelling, and how Patricia basically walked so every crime show could run. Then we shift gears into her deeply personal new memoir, where she opens up about her life, career, and the experiences that shaped her storytelling. From behind-the-scenes publishing drama to the real-life inspirations for her chilling cases, Patricia gets candid in a way that is equal parts fascinating and inspiring!

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Guys! It’s that special time of the month! You know… the one that’s brought to you By you FOR  you and ALL ABOUT YOU! This month we’re getting our bangs sky high to honor a batch of tales from the eighties! Want  to see the fits? Check out the YOUTUBE version is packed with extra Nicholas footage!

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When Ron Bradley won an all-expense paid cruise to the Caribbean in 1998, it seemed like a great opportunity to have one last family vacation with his wife, Iva, and his kids, twenty-three-year-old Amy and twenty-one-year-old Brad. In March, the family flew to Puerto Rico, where they boarded “Rhapsody of the Seas,” a Royal Caribbean cruise ship, and set off for the island of Curacao. The trip was everything Ron and his wife had hoped for, but just two days after departing from Puerto Rico, Amy went missing and their lives would never be the same again.

If anyone has any information about the whereabouts of Amy Bradley, they are encouraged to contact the family through their website amybradleyismissing.com or the FBI at tips.fbi.gov.

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This month’s bonus episode we are revisiting Eclipse, where the stakes are higher, the wigs are worse, and the love triangle is somehow even more unhinged. Bella Swan continues her lifelong hobby of making absolutely baffling decisions as she’s torn between sparkly control enthusiast Edward Cullen and aggressively boundary-ignoring werewolf Jacob Black. Meanwhile, a literal vampire army is being assembled… but sure, let’s focus on Bella’s engagement anxiety. Revisit the series that puts the ‘why?’ in ‘Y.A.’ So queue up the movie, dust off your copy, and continue with  us as we spiral back into the alarmingly problematic world of The Twilight Saga!

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In the spring of 1898, the British government began a large-scale infrastructure project, building a bridge connecting Uganda to Kilindini Harbor in Kenya. The ambitious project involved building a large railroad bridge across the Tsavo River in the Coast Province of Kenya. Just days after the bridge project began, workmen on the construction crew began disappearing, their remains turning up mangled days later, if they turned up at all. In time, it was discovered that two male maneless lions in the region were stalking, killing, and eating the men working on the infrastructure project.

For more than nine months, the construction in the Tsavo region was plagued by attacks, resulting in anywhere from thirty-five to more than one hundred men killed and eaten by the lions. Eventually, a massive hunt was undertaken and the two animals were ultimately killed, allowing the infrastructure project to be completed unimpeded. Despite being an exceedingly rare occurrence, the attacks at Tsavo became symbolic of the wildness of Africa and the power of the British Empire to tame the region through colonialism.

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Kuta, Sarah. 2024. Two Lions Went on a Man-Eating Spree in 1898. Now, DNA Evidence Reveals Their Diets. October 15. Accessed October 15, 2026. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/two-lions-went-on-a-man-eating-spree-in-1898-now-dna-evidence-reveals-their-diets-180985269/.

Patterson, Bruce. 2004. The Lions of Tsavo: Exploring the Legacy of Africa’s Notorious Man-eaters. New York, NY: McGraw-Hill.

Patterson, James. 2016. «The man-eaters of Tsavo.» Sports Afield, January 1.

Patterson, John Henry. 1907. The Man Eaters of Tsavo. London, UK: Macmilan.

Raffaele, Paul. 2010. 

Man-Eaters of Tsavo.

 January. Accessed April 8, 2026. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/man-eaters-of-tsavo-11614317/

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This week we are packing their emotional support sage and heading straight into two deeply unsettling homes because apparently “cozy” is overrated. First stop: the infamous Blood House of Atlanta, where a mystifying issue plagued the house owners.Then we hop across the pond to Perthshire, Scotland, to dig into the legend of Ballechin House. Built by a man with a very specific  obsession with reincarnation, the house became a hotspot for terrifying phenomena after his death. From bloodstained histories to ghostly tantrums, these houses prove that sometimes it’s not the location, it’s the lingering energy that turns a home into a nightmare. 

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When twenty-seven-year-old James Bullock was shot and killed in St. Louis in the winter of 1958, investigators immediately focused their attention on Bullock’s wife, Edna, who was the beneficiary of her husband’s large life insurance policy. Witnesses recalled seeing the victim being chased by a man with a gun on the night of the murder, and detectives suspected Edna had arranged for her husband to be killed so she could collect the insurance money. They didn’t know it at the time, but St. Louis investigators were investigating what was to be the first victim in a decades-long career of a most unlikely hitman and serial killer.

Although they had their suspicions that Edna Bullock had enlisted the help of her ex-husband, Glen Engleman, in the murder of her new husband, it would take many more years before those suspicions were confirmed. And by that time, Engleman, a successful suburban dentist had taken the lives of several more people, all to satisfy his own interest in calculated and carefully planned assassinations.

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Bakos, Susan. 1988. Appointment for Murder. New York, NY: Putnam.

Bryan, Bill. 1987. «Case closed.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, october 18: 77.

Ellis, James. 1976. «Killing of Kirkwood man may have been accident.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, September 7: 5.

Ganey, Terry. 1999. «Convicted killer Glennon Engleman dies at 71 in prison.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, March 4: 11.

Kansas City Star. 1958. «Shot, run over near museum.» Kansas City Star, December 18: 1.

Mathes, Bob. 1979. «Clues sought in Madison County killing.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, April 6: 3.

McReynolds, Becky. 1980. «Many questions in new bomb killing.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, January 15: 1.

Reynolds, Becky, and Geof Dubson. 1980. «Dentist charged in 1976 killing.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, February 25: 1.

St. Clair Chronicle. 1976. «Shot to death in woods near Pacific.» St. Clair Chronicle, September 8: 1.

St. Louis Post-Dipatch. 1958. «Mrs. Bullock’s first husband won’t talk at killing inquest.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, December 19: 1.

St. Louis Post-Dispatch. 1980. «Car bomb linked to earlier one at victim’s home.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, January 16: 3.

—. 1958. «Dentist and his friends questioned further in James Bullock killing.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, December 21: 1.

—. 1977. «Motive unclear in farm couple’s killing.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 6: 18A.

—. 1958. «Police question wife of man shot to death in Forest Park.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, December 18: 1.

Wehling, Robert, and Robert Kelly. 1977. «Double killing stuns neighbors.» St. Louis Post-Dispatch, November 5: 3.

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In April 1834, a massive fire broke out at the mansion of Delphine LaLaurie on Royal Street in New Orleans French Quarter. LaLaurie was known to have kept several slaves as servants in the home, but when bystanders attempted to enter the house to rescue those trapped inside, they found the doors barred. After forcing the doors open and making their way inside the house, the rescuers were horrified to find the “horribly mutilated” bodies of at least seven of LaLaurie’s slaves. Delphine LaLaurie was known to treat her servants very badly, including physically abusing them, but no one in New Orleans had imagined she was a sadistic murderer.

After the discovery of the horrors in the LaLaurie mansion, Delphine LaLaurie fled New Orleans, fearing mob violence, and lived the rest of her life as an exile in Paris—but that is not the end of the story. Just a few decades after LaLaurie abandoned her home and fled the country, her story and those of the men, women, and children who suffered in her home worked their way into New Orleans folklore. Today, nearly two hundred years later, the LaLaurie mansion has become known as the most haunted house in New Orleans, and the legend of Delphine LaLaurie has lived on through television, film, and books about Mad Madame LaLaurie. 

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Crawford, Iain. 2020. «Harriet Matineau, White Women, and Slavery in the bAntebellum South.» Nineteenth-Century Prose 89-116.

Long, Carolyn Morrow. 2015. Madame Lalaurie, Mistress of the Haunted House. Gainsville, FL: University Press of Florida.

Martineau, Harriet. 1838. Retrospect of Western Travel, volume 2. London, UK: Saunders and Otley.

Masia, Ines Vila. 1947. «New Orleans puts its ghosts to work.» The Times (Shreveport, LA), July 20: 21.

New Orleans Bee. 1834. «Baton Rouge news.» Baton-Rouge Gazette, April 19: 2.

Pitts, Stella. 1974. «New paint, old stories stir interest in ‘haunted house’.» Times-Picayune, August 11: 68.

Schneider, Frank. 1969. «Sale typidies French Quarter values.» Times-Picayune, February 9: 47.

Wolfe, Poet. 2024. «LaLaurie Mansion in New Orleans has a sinister history dating back to the 1830s.» Times Picayune, July 11.

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Chicago in the 1920s is often remembered for the rise of organized crime and it’s larger than life leaders like Al Capone and Johnny Torrio. While these men and their organizations surely shaped the city’s identity, their infamy and influence were, at least for a short time, rivaled by a group of young women whose murderous acts would dominate headlines in papers around the country throughout the decade.

While Beulah Annan and Belva Gardner—the real-life inspiration for the musical Chicago—were arguably the most well known of the female murders from this era, their famous murders were preceded by the equally sensationalized murder spree of Tillie Klimek. Between 1914 and 1921, Klimek was believed to have killed as many as seven people including four husbands. While her crimes would ultimately land her in the Illinois State Penitentiary for the rest of her life, her exploits and criminal trial were sensational and occupied the front pages of city newspapers for years.

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Chicago Tribune. 1922. «Death called mere routine in posion home.» Chicago Tribune, November 15: 1.

—. 1922. «Find arsenic, arrest wife and stepson.» Chicago Tribune, October 27: 1.

—. 1922. «Klimek poison list is twenty; arrest 1 more.» Chicago Tribune, November 19: 1.

—. 1922. «Koulik friend sought in new poison charge.» Chicago Tribune, November 26: 5.

—. 1922. «Mystery deaths in poison case may reach 20.» Chicago Tribune, November 14: 3.

—. 1923. «Tillie Klimek is strong witness in own defense.» Chicago Tribune, March 13: 7.

Danville Commercial News. 1923. «The woman, not the jury, was on trial.» Chicago Tribune, March 30: 8.

Forbes, Genevieve. 1923. «Grave digger tells of goings on at Klimks’.» Chicago Tribune, March 10: 3.

—. 1923. «How Mrs. Klimek jested of death of husband told.» Chicago Tribune, March 9: 7.

—. 1923. «Life in prison for woman as arch poisoner.» Chicago Tribune, March 14: 1.

—. 1923. «‘Ma’ Koulik, wise in jail learning, goes back home.» Chicago Tribune, November 9: 4.

—. 1923. «Poison evidence robs Mrs. Klimek of indifference.» Chicago Tribune, March 11: 7.

International News Service. 1922. «May exhume bodies of four former husbands.» Waukegan News-Sun, October 27: 12.

Lynch, Charles. 1923. «Ask hanging for 2 women charged with murder orgy.» Belvidere Daily Republican, March 6: 1.

Telfer, Tori. 2017. Lady Killers: Deadly Women Throughout History. New York, NY: Harper Perennial.

United Press. 1922. «Chicago police suspect second ‘Mrs. BLuebeard’.» Freeport Journal-Standard, November 4: 1.

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On October 14, 1987, Reba McClure and her eighteen-month-old daughter, Jessica, stopped by the Midland, Texas home of her sister for a visit. As Reba sat in the backyard watching Jessica play with some neighborhood children, she heard the phone ring and went inside to answer it. When McClure returned to the backyard a few minutes later, she saw the other children staring at the ground on the far-side of the yard, but Jessica was nowhere to be seen.

To Reba McClure’s absolute horror, while she was inside on the phone, Jessica had fallen twenty-feet down into the well on her sister’s property and become lodged in a section only fourteen-inches wide. Rescue teams arrived at the house not long after Jessica fell into the well, but the situation proved far more complicated than anyone had expected; they needed to dig a parallel shaft to rescue the girl, but any amount of significant vibration in the earth could have collapsed the well entirely.

In the early days of cable news twenty-four-hour news coverage, the rescue of Jessica McClure became one of the most watched events in the United States. However, while the rescue of the girl was everyone’s primary concern, the wall-to-wall coverage itself quickly became a major part of the story, as ordinary smalltown Americans were shoved into the spotlight and questions over rights to the story (and rights to privacy) took center stage.

Belkin, Lisa. 1988. «Baby Jessica’s rescuers fighting over TV rights.» New York Times, March 24.

Bone, Mark, and Gregory Rosati. 2021. How 58 hours in Midland, Texas, changed the future of TV news. July 30. Accessed March 24, 2026. https://edition.cnn.com/2021/07/30/opinions/baby-jessica-cnn-films-shorts-mark-bone-opinion.

Comiter, Jordana, and Carolina Blair. 2025. Where Is ‘Baby Jessica’ Now? Inside Her Life 38 Years After Her Harrowing Rescue from a Texas Well. October 16. Accessed March 24, 2026. https://people.com/all-about-baby-jessica-life-now-11830322.

Crimmins, Patrick. 1987. «Toddler’s rescue ‘matter of time’.» Midland Reporter-Telegram, October 16: 1.

Hillrichs, Julie. 1987. «Naps, choruses of nursery song help toddler endure her ordeal.» Midland Reporter-Telegram, October 16: 1.

Kennedy, J. Michael. 1987. «Jessica makes it to safety-after 58 1/2 hours.» Los Angeles Times, October 17: 1.

Lunsford, Lance. 2024. Inside the Well: The Midland, Texas Rescue of Baby Jessica. Lubbock, TX: Texas Tech University Press.

Madigan, Tim. 1987. «Rescue just agonizing inches from sobbing girl in Midland well.» Fort Worth Star-Telegram, October 15: 1.

—. 1987. «Town shares emotion of toddler’s relatives.» Fort Worth Star-Telegram, October 16: 1.

Nye, Ramona. 1987. «Jessica free, under doctors’ care.» Midland Reporter-Telegram, October 17: 1.

Pitts, John Paul. 1987. «Concerned people give of themselves for Jessica.» Midland Reporter-Telegram, October 17: 1.

Thomas, Evan, and Peter Annin. 1997. «‘Baby Jessica’ grows up.» Newsweek, October 27: 34.

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When Carolyn and Roger Perron moved into a small farmhouse in Harrisville, Rhode Island, they thought they’d found the perfect house in which to raise their five daughters and enjoy the rest of their lives. Before long, the Perron’s dream home turned into a nightmare. It started small—disembodied voices, unpleasant odors—but soon the unpleasant and obnoxious experiences developed into an all-out attack of ghostly apparitions, assaults from unseen hands, and the presence of something far worse than the spirits of the undead.

At first, the Perron family ignored or dismissed the various incidents that disturbed them, but after several years in the house, the experiences had become too numerous and too severe to dismiss. Faced with the unimaginable scenario of losing their house to forces beyond their comprehension, the Perron’s decided to fight back.

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Langston, Keith. 2024. The True Story Behind The Conjuring: Where Is the Perron Family Now? October 20. Accessed March 26, 2026. https://people.com/the-conjuring-true-story-8645388.

Nickell, Joe. 2016. «Dispelling Demons: Detective Work at The Conjuring House.» Skepticakl Inquirer 20-24.

Nickell, Joe. 2014. «The Conjuring: Ghosts? Poltergeist? Demons?» Skeptical Inquirer 22-25.

Perron, Andrea. 2013. House of Darkness, House of Light, vol. 2. Providence, RI: AuthorHouse.

—. 2011. House of Darkness: House of Light, vol. 1. Providence, RI: AuthorHouse.

Rhode Island Governor’s Justice Commission. 1995. 

Highlights and Analysis from 25 Years Collecting Serious Crime Data.

 Data analysis, Providence, RI: Rhode Island Statistical Analysis Center.

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We are THRILLED to invite to you join our Morbid Book Club in this bonus episode that is #sponsored by our friends at @ashleyofficial. This quarter, we are serving up forensic chills with a side of culinary chaos as we dive into Postmortem by Patricia Cornwell! And the best part? We’re joined our new best friend Chef Reilly Meehan who helps us break it all down! #Morbidbookclub #ashleypartner

We’re unpacking the very first Dr. Kay Scarpetta novel that basically launched a thousand forensic obsessions, chatting about ALL of the gritty details, and some of the wild theories we came up with while reading! (I’m looking at you Lucy!) Chef Reilly brings a totally unique perspective (and some top-tier vibes), as we somehow manage to connect the worlds of food, storytelling, and forensic science. Expect hot takes, a little dark humor, and some truly unhinged tangents, because you know we can’t stay on track for too long.

So keep it weird… and keep turning those pages!

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Weirdos! Pack your getaway bag and  get ready to hit the road for a haunted roadtrip in West Virginia! Alaina starts a trend by telling us about a chilling crime at Cabin 13 in Babcock State Forrest in Babson, WV. Not only is this place’s history haunted, what people have seen will give you goosebumps! Ash gives us the pallet cleanser about the Blennerhassett Hotel in Parkersburg where the haunting is a bit more whimsical and includes a spirit who may be our new spirit guide! 

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Weirdos! We NEEDED a nostalgic moment, and decided to share it with you! This month, DebDeb has cultivated a batch of 90’s tales that are  brought to you By you FOR  you and ALL ABOUT YOU!  Check out YouTube to see what happened mid episode that made us all lose our damn minds!

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(Part 2 of 2) On March 1, 1932, someone crept into a second-floor window of the home of Charles and Ann Lindbergh and kidnapped the couple’s twenty-month-old son, Charlie, leaving behind a ransom note demanding $50,000 for the boy’s return.

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American Experience. n.d. Ann Morrow Lindbergh.https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/lindbergh-anne-morrow/.

Associated Press. 1932. «Moore halts plan for state reward.» Central New Jersey Home News, March 2: 1.

—. 1932. «Seek Lindbergh baby in Newark after card is discovered in mails.» Central New Jersey Home News, March 2: 1.

—. 1932. «Orders that vigilance be not relaxed until killers meet justice.» Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), May 13: 1.

—. 1932. «Morrow maid a suicide.» Herald-News (Passaic, NJ), June 10: 1.

—. 1934. «Hauptman ready to quit US.» The Evening Times (Trenton, NJ), September 21: 1.

Cahill, Richard. 2014. Hauptmann’s Ladder: A Step-By-Step Analysis of the Lindbergh Kidnapping. Kent, OH: Kent State University Press.

Hauck, Anthony. 1935. «Hauptman’s guilt overwhelmingly proved.» New York Times, February 12: 12.

Linder, Douglas. n.d. Ransom notes, responses and other communication. Accessed December 29, 2025. https://famous-trials.com/hauptmann/1398-ransom.

New York Times. 1934. «Friends describe Hauptman as shy.» New York Times, September 23: 24.

—. 1934. «Hauptman script ‘like’ kidnappers.» New York Times, October 16: 20.

—. 1932. «Test of religion seen in kidnapping.» New York Times, May 16: 2.

2013. Who Killed Lindbergh’s Baby? Directed by Larry Klein. Performed by Nova.

Shapiro, Stanley. 2009. «The Celebrity of Charles Lindbergh.» Air Power History 21-33.

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On March 1, 1932, someone crept into a second-floor window of the home of Charles and Ann Lindbergh and kidnapped the couple’s twenty-month-old son, Charlie, leaving behind a ransom note demanding $50,000 for the boy’s return.

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American Experience. n.d. Ann Morrow Lindbergh. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/lindbergh-anne-morrow/.

Associated Press. 1932. «Moore halts plan for state reward.» Central New Jersey Home News, March 2: 1.

—. 1932. «Seek Lindbergh baby in Newark after card is discovered in mails.» Central New Jersey Home News, March 2: 1.

—. 1932. «Orders that vigilance be not relaxed until killers meet justice.» Courier-News (Bridgewater, NJ), May 13: 1.

—. 1932. «Morrow maid a suicide.» Herald-News (Passaic, NJ), June 10: 1.

—. 1934. «Hauptman ready to quit US.» The Evening Times (Trenton, NJ), September 21: 1.

Cahill, Richard. 2014. Hauptmann’s Ladder: A Step-By-Step Analysis of the Lindbergh Kidnapping. Kent, OH: Kent State University Press.

Hauck, Anthony. 1935. «Hauptman’s guilt overwhelmingly proved.» New York Times, February 12: 12.

Linder, Douglas. n.d. Ransom notes, responses and other communication. Accessed December 29, 2025. https://famous-trials.com/hauptmann/1398-ransom.

New York Times. 1934. «Friends describe Hauptman as shy.» New York Times, September 23: 24.

—. 1934. «Hauptman script ‘like’ kidnappers.» New York Times, October 16: 20.

—. 1932. «Test of religion seen in kidnapping.» New York Times, May 16: 2.

2013. Who Killed Lindbergh’s Baby? Directed by Larry Klein. Performed by Nova.

Shapiro, Stanley. 2009. «The Celebrity of Charles Lindbergh.» Air Power History 21-33.

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On January 2, 2000, eighteen-year-old Zebb Quinn finished his shift at Walmart in Asheville, North Carolina and set off to look at a used car with his co-worker, Jason Owens. Halfway to their destination, Zebb told Jason he received an important call on his pager and needed to return the call immediately and they would have to postpone their plans to look at the car. That was the last time anyone saw Zebb Quinn.

For weeks, Zebb’s family and the Asheville police searched for the teenager, but it was as though he had disappeared into thin air. Then, to everyone’s surprise, Zebb’s car was found in a parking lot not far from the hospital where his mother and sister worked, as though someone had left it in a conspicuous place where it would be found. But more surprising than the discovery of the car itself was the incredibly strange and unexpected evidence found inside the vehicle, including several markings on the windows in red lipstick and a live black labrador puppy.

Alexander, Phil. 2000. «Police, family puzzled by Arden teen’s disappearance.» Asheville Citizen-Times, January 21: 11.

Bever, Lindsey. 2015. «N.C. man charged in murder of Food Network star, her.» Washington Post, March 18.

Brevorka, Jennifer. 2004. «Police release tape in case of teen’s disappearance four years ago.» Asheville Citizen-Times, January 1: 15.

Burgess, Joel. 2022. «Judge accepts plea deal in cold case.» Asheville Citizen-Times, July 27: 1.

—. 2022. «Zebb Quinn’s killer dead, says Owens.» Asheville Citizen-Times, July 22: 1.

DeGrave, Sam. 2018. «Lawyers clash in Zebb Quinn case.» Asheville Citizen-Times, March 16: 1.

Forrest, Brett. 2001. «The vanishing.» Spin, February 1: 90.

Kepley-Steward, Kristy. 2020. «20 years after the disappearance of Zebb Quinn, still very few answers.» WLOS News, January 3.

King, Kimberley. 2022. «Former friend shares about ‘pathological liar’ Owens ahead of plea deal in Zebb Quinn case.» WPDE News, July 22.

Maxwell, Tonya. 2001. «Questions abound in Quinn case.» Asheville Citizen-Times, January 2: 9.

Morrison, Clarke. 2005. «Detectives hope re-enactment will jog memories.» Asheville Citizen-Times, January 14: 1.

2012. Disappeared. Produced by Peacock Productions. Performed by Peacock Productions.

Tomlin, Robyn. 2000. «A mother pleads: Where is my son?» Ashville Citizen-Times, August 6: 1.

Warren, Sabian. 2012. «Dog a living link to Quinn cold case.» Asheville Citizen-Times, April 20: 1.

—. 2015. «Suspect destroyed bodies.» Asheville Citizen-Times, March 21: 1.

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When Stephen Spielberg released his iconic film Jaws in the summer of 1975, he not only kicked off the phenomenon of the summer blockbuster, but also reignited the public’s fascination with and fear of shark attacks. Although based on a book of the same name, that novel was itself heavily influenced on several real-life events from the past, including one particular summer on the Jersey Shore.

In the early twentieth-century, most Americans didn’t think much about sharks or the other potentially dangerous fish and animals that lived in the ocean. In fact, the majority of Americans don’t live in coastal areas and probably didn’t know there were differences between species. That all changed in the summer of 1916, when a loan shark killed four people and critically injured one person in the waters along the Jersey Shore. More than merely accidental bites, the attacks seemed almost intentional, leading to the widespread belief that a man-eater was stalking the waters of the northeastern state. 

In the century that has passed since, the Jersey Shore shark attacks have fueled Americans imaginations and nightmares, leading to widely celebrated novels and films about sharks, but also contributing to serious misunderstandings about sharks and their behavior, often with terrible consequences.

References

Asbury Park Press. 1916. «Bathers need have no fear of sharks.» Asbury Park Press, July 5: 11.

—. 1916. «Governor urges safeguards such as Asbury Park has.» Asbury Park Press, July 13: 1.

—. 1916. «Nets and armed motorboat patrol to protect bathers.» Asbury Park Press, July 7: 1.

—. 1916. «Shak driven from city bathing ground.» Asbury Park Press, July 8: 1.

Capuzzo, Micahel. 2001. Close to Shore: A True Story of Terror in An Age of Innocence. New York, NY: Broadway Books.

Central New Jersey Home News. 1916. «Man and two boys fall victims to new raid of shark in Matawan Creek.» Central New Jersey Home News, July 13: 1.

Florida Museum of Natural History. 2024. Yearly Worldwide Shark Attack Summary. Accessed July 30, 2025. https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/shark-attacks/yearly-worldwide-summary/.

Morning Call. 14916. «Swimmer mangled by shark at sea dies in two hours.» Morning Call (Paterson, NJ), July 4: 7.

New York Times. 1916. «Human bones found in shark’s stomach.» New York Times, July 16: 5.

—. 1916. «Many hunt sharks.» New York Times, July 9: 3.

—. 1916. «Many see sharks, but all get away.» New York Times, July 14: 1.

—. 1916. «Shark guards out at beach resorts.» New York Times, July 8: 18.

The Times. 1916. «Creek yields body of boy shark slew.» The Times (Trenton, NJ), July 14: 1.

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When Stephen Spielberg released his iconic film Jaws in the summer of 1975, he not only kicked off the phenomenon of the summer blockbuster, but also reignited the public’s fascination with and fear of shark attacks. Although based on a book of the same name, that novel was itself heavily influenced on several real-life events from the past, including one particular summer on the Jersey Shore.

In the early twentieth-century, most Americans didn’t think much about sharks or the other potentially dangerous fish and animals that lived in the ocean. In fact, the majority of Americans don’t live in coastal areas and probably didn’t know there were differences between species. That all changed in the summer of 1916, when a loan shark killed four people and critically injured one person in the waters along the Jersey Shore. More than merely accidental bites, the attacks seemed almost intentional, leading to the widespread belief that a man-eater was stalking the waters of the northeastern state. 

In the century that has passed since, the Jersey Shore shark attacks have fueled Americans imaginations and nightmares, leading to widely celebrated novels and films about sharks, but also contributing to serious misunderstandings about sharks and their behavior, often with terrible consequences.

Recommendations in this Episode

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References

Asbury Park Press. 1916. «Bathers need have no fear of sharks.» Asbury Park Press, July 5: 11.

—. 1916. «Governor urges safeguards such as Asbury Park has.» Asbury Park Press, July 13: 1.

—. 1916. «Nets and armed motorboat patrol to protect bathers.» Asbury Park Press, July 7: 1.

—. 1916. «Shak driven from city bathing ground.» Asbury Park Press, July 8: 1.

Capuzzo, Micahel. 2001. Close to Shore: A True Story of Terror in An Age of Innocence. New York, NY: Broadway Books.

Central New Jersey Home News. 1916. «Man and two boys fall victims to new raid of shark in Matawan Creek.» Central New Jersey Home News, July 13: 1.

Florida Museum of Natural History. 2024. Yearly Worldwide Shark Attack Summary. Accessed July 30, 2025. https://www.floridamuseum.ufl.edu/shark-attacks/yearly-worldwide-summary/.

Morning Call. 14916. «Swimmer mangled by shark at sea dies in two hours.» Morning Call (Paterson, NJ), July 4: 7.

New York Times. 1916. «Human bones found in shark’s stomach.» New York Times, July 16: 5.

—. 1916. «Many hunt sharks.» New York Times, July 9: 3.

—. 1916. «Many see sharks, but all get away.» New York Times, July 14: 1.

—. 1916. «Shark guards out at beach resorts.» New York Times, July 8: 18.

The Times. 1916. «Creek yields body of boy shark slew.» The Times (Trenton, NJ), July 14: 1.

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In November 1958, Frank Duncan’s pregnant wife, Olga Kupczyk, disappeared without a trace from their Santa Barbara home after enduring months of abusive treatment from her mother-in-law. A short time later, Frank’s marriage was inexplicably annulled after his mother, posing as Olga, showed up at the local courthouse with a man she’d hired to pose as her son, Frank.

One month later, in mid-December, investigators in the small coastal town of Carpinteria, California, were directed to the location of Olga’s body in a shallow grave, after one of her killers confessed to kidnapping and murdering her the previous month. The arrest of Augustine Baldonado and his accomplice, Luis Moya, solved the mystery of what happened to Olga, but when it came to the motive for the murder, the truth was more shocking than anyone had expected.

Associated Press. 1959. «Mrs. Duncan shouts ‘liar’ at friend in court.» Modesto Bee, March 1: 2.

Blake, Gene. 1958. «Body of missing bride unearthed.» Los Angeles Times, December 22: 1.

—. 1959. «Find Mrs. Duncan guilty of murder.» Los Angeles Times, March 17: 1.

—. 1959. «Mrs. Duncan held sane, faces death.» Los Angeles Times, March 25: 1.

—. 1959. «Mrs. Duncan tried to hire her to kill, carhop says.» Los Angeles Times, February 25: 2.

—. 1959. «Mrs. Duncan’s son weeps when death story is told.» Los Angeles Times, February 27: 2.

Hertel, Howard, and Paul Weeks. 1962. «Mrs. Duncan dies with 2 conspirators.» Los Angeles Times, August 9: 1.

Holt, Bob. 1959. «Frank Duncan in court outburst as D.A. Gustafson questions mother.» Ventura County Star, March 5: 1.

—. 1959. «Jury out 4 hours, 51 min. debating fateful verdict in murder-for-hire case.» Ventura County Star, March 17: 1.

—. 1959. «Mrs. Duncan testifies in own defense; admits ‘plot’ to break up marriage.» Ventura County Star, March 4: 1.

Larkin, Deborah Holt. 2022. A Lovely Girl: The Tragedy of Olga Duncan and the Trial of One of California’s Most Notorious Killers. New York, NY: Simon and Schuster.

Los Angeles Times. 1958. «Body of missing wife pointed out.» Los Angeles Times, December 22: 1.

Martinez, Arlene. 2013. «Love, scandal and murder: Ventura County case drew national attention.» Ventura County Star, June 30: 2013.

Renner, Joan. 2013. «Mother-in-law knows murdwer: The tragic death of Olga Kupczyk.» Los Angeles Magazine, June 17.

The People of California v. Elizabeth Ann Duncan. 1960. 6490 (California Appeals Court, March 11).

Ventura County Star. 1958. «Grand jury set for murder case.» Ventura County Star, December 23: 1.

Welsh, Nick. 2022. Elizabeth Duncan: The Last Woman Executed in California. October 13. Accessed November 11, 2025. https://www.independent.com/2022/10/12/elizabeth-duncan-last-woman-executed-california-history/.

Williams, Brad. 1958. «Mother-in-law in jail on charge of fake annulment.» Los Angeles Times, December 16: 1.

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In November 1958, Frank Duncan’s pregnant wife, Olga Kupczyk, disappeared without a trace from their Santa Barbara home after enduring months of abusive treatment from her mother-in-law. A short time later, Frank’s marriage was inexplicably annulled after his mother, posing as Olga, showed up at the local courthouse with a man she’d hired to pose as her son, Frank.

One month later, in mid-December, investigators in the small coastal town of Carpinteria, California, were directed to the location of Olga’s body in a shallow grave, after one of her killers confessed to kidnapping and murdering her the previous month. The arrest of Augustine Baldonado and his accomplice, Luis Moya, solved the mystery of what happened to Olga, but when it came to the motive for the murder, the truth was more shocking than anyone had expected.

Grab SIGNED EDITIONS of The Butcher Legacy from Barnes & Noble before they run out!

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Produced & Edited by Mikie Sirois (Since 2023)

Research by Dave White (Since 10/2022), Alaina Urquhart & Ash Kelley

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